(no subject)

[trinityvixen]

So, arcane_the_sage linked to this article about the Quiver-full people. It's a stupid-ass, patriarchal bullshit movement, enough said. Let's stop being part of the community so that we might better focus our energies in wearing out one uterus as fast as possible. Brilliant idea. I hope it doesn't take one of these women dying with like a prolapsed uterus or something (hey, when you have that many children, that is natural, and saving her life with medicine is wrong!) to fix these idiots, but yeah, it probably will.

But this, this little excerpt takes the cake:
"[A quiver-full follower is] counting on his eldest daughter, Peyton, 12, to carry on the tradition. She “will stay under my covering until I turn her over in marriage to a God-honoring young man,” he says. Hopefully, he adds, they too will reap a full quiver.

Well, at least he's admitting that it's just about dominating his females and controlling their uterii. You rarely get such explicit stuff. What a fucktard. This is as creepy as those daddy-daughter purity balls and chastity locket promises. Daddy having a vested interest in defending Daughter's vagina from intruders stinks of disgusting stuff going on, either physically or in his head. It's like the headcases who scream about anal sex and the dangers of the homos and their dasterdly agenda. No one is that interested in the Gay unless they're actually interested in the Gay. You can't sit and watch and go "Ooh, no, really I hate this" and that will make you above suspicion. Sheesh.

Comments

[hslayer.livejournal.com]

Daddy having a vested interest in defending Daughter's vagina from intruders stinks of disgusting stuff going on, either physically or in his head.

I agree that these guys are looneytards, but I don't see a problem with the more general concept of a father (or a mother) wanting their daughter (or son) to be less than skanky, or even chaste until marriage.

I may as well preempt you by saying that I recognize (and agree) that it's the lack of people who feel the same about their sons as about their daughters that makes it a sexist topic. I just tend to think that it'd be preferable for more parents to teach their children those values than to follow your apparent suggestion of saying, "Meh, sleep around, whatever."

[wellgull.livejournal.com]

Teaching values, sure, but this seems way more about physical control and denying her the right to make her own decisions (even bad ones). That, I would not endorse, even if applied equally to boy-children and girl-children. Controlling someone's sexuality to a large extent means controlling their person, which is outside the scope of an adult's privilege. Once they're past the age of consent, they are entitled to act on their own.

Plus, forbidding the child to move out until married is also pretty sketch.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

It's the part about "No touchy!" without her consent that I don't like, as wellgull says. I think it's great to sit your kids down and say "Sex isn't something you can have and not be affected. It will change you, it will change the relationship (or not) that you have it in. It can be hazardous. Consider the dangers, here's some info on how to protect yourself, know that you can always talk to me if you're confused or just want to talk." Saying "I fucking own your goddamned genitals until I give them away so don't you dare go mucking about with my fucking property (ha ha, no pun intended) until I give the say so."

In other words, a fine line between education and control. And, really, you do have to let them make mistakes or they won't grow. This isn't about letting them grow. It's about keeping them stunted children all their life, and, as hslayer said, the lack of equal application to boys and girls is disgusting.

[hslayer.livejournal.com]

Like I said, I agree these specific people are off their collective nut. I also agree that taking a confrontational approach with your children (on any issue) is not good, though, as something of a utilitarianist, my problem with that has more to do with its lack of effectiveness than anything else.

In a similar vein, it's also true that his daughter is, after all, 12 years old. And it's also true that once a child child becomes an adult child, a parent's control over them is - I'm not naive enough to say non-existent - limited.

[osmodion.livejournal.com]

A parent's control over a an adult child isn't always limited. In many cultures/communities, you obey your parents' wishes until their death, or you get expelled from the community. I easily concluded that this group has requirements for eternally obeying your parents, and it takes a very strong will to go against everything you have been taught your whole life and leave your family.

[hslayer.livejournal.com]

I've seen many of my own friends subvert their own will for their parents' will, but in the end that's their own choice to make. The last thing we need to do as a society (or as individuals) is start providing excuses for rational adults who make bad decisions. Maybe it is hard, but life's full of hard choices - suck it up. Once the daughter is an adult, a decision to continue to believe this tripe is her own. Other ideas - and other communities - are in no short supply.