Monday Morning Meme + Poll

[trinityvixen]

First off:

Your Score: Slytherclaw

You scored 52% Order/Chaos, and 30% Moral/Rational

Rationality with an orderly/chaotic split. What you strongly know is that you try to be rational, objective, and like to consider things as shades of gray. On order, you see the value of rules and organization but equally can become impatient and advocate a rather loose system. Your strengths arise from your ability to consider both radicals and straightlaced authority objectively; however, it can turn on you when others feel betrayed by the fact that there are few you support unconditionally and consistently.



The 4-grid I used to determine this is as follows:

	Chaotic	Orderly
Moral	Gryffindor	Hufflepuff
Rational	Slytherin	Ravenclaw

Link: The Sorting Hat Test written by 8sevenatenine8 on OkCupid Free Online Dating, home of the The Dating Persona Test

Of course I am a Slytherclaw. I occasionally get a Hufflepuff half, seeing as I very firmly believe in hard, good work over favor and that it, not personal preferences or biases or knowing people, should advance a person. However, I just as firmly believe in intelligence as being another recommendation and even more deserving of recognition.

As for my Slytherin half? Hell, I definitely admit to being self-interested and possibly just a wee bit evil at heart. I did make that Death Eater wand at the Harry Potter release party... But I do invite you all to remember the following: all Death Eaters are Slytherins, but not all Slytherins are Death Eaters. I mean, I probably am, but not every Slyherin or Slytherclaw would be.

Who is your inner Shapeshifter?

The Scottish selkie was a being who appeared to be a seal, but had the ability to shed their skin and roam the land in human form. If a human were to happen upon the discarded seal skin, he or she could hide it and force the selkie to marry him or her. However, if the selkie were to ever find the skin, he or she would immediately reassume seal form and return to the sea from whence they came, leaving their spouse and offspring on land to forever mourn their loss.As a selkie, you are a very withdrawn, secretive and somewhat sad person, and those around you find you alluring and mystifying. People who come into your life find it difficult to find the inner you. You are also curious, but you enjoy the comforts of home most of all.
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I disagree with the "sad" part of this, but then I always do. I don't understand why it is that being alone necessitates being sad. Fuck you, too, test!

Also, in case anyone ever doubted, since this came up in the car yesterday, I am ISTJ (sometimes ISTP). This is not relevant except that, as a very strong S, I completely do not believe that anyone ever is or could be an N, especially not with the ridiculous example my older sister gave me (if you have an apple and are asked to describe it, Sensing-types go "It's an apple, round and green," and, supposedly, Intuition-types go "Ooh, original sin."). I just could not believe it happens. Cheerfully, kent_allard_jr proved me wrong. For all three of you who don't know what I'm talking about, click on this link. It's bullshit, but it's fun bullshit.

Speaking of things we discussed on the car trip to being consumer whores: music. Listening to the radio on the weekend continues to be an adventure not always worth having. The two stations I think have reliably or at least predominantly good music (Q104.3 and K-Rock 92.3) are more a mixed bag, especially on a Sunday night. It led to discussions of music all the parties involved liked at all stages of their lives to this point. Things we listened to before we had the choice (what our parents played for us as kids); music we explored when choice first became an option (middle school to early high school years); music we actually purchased and pursued in concerts and on the radio (high school and college); and music we have come to appreciate after the years of easy access to others' catalogues (post-college).

Not surprisingly, there were many choices regretted ("Oh God, I own the first Spice Girls album!" "I went to see Kenny G in concert!"). There were disappointments ("Whatever happened to [fill in the blank]?" "I can't believe the last three albums [fill in the blank] released were so bad." "I can't believe I missed [fill in the blank] in concert!"). But there was an overall trend and commonality to each story in that every one had, at some point either in college or just after, stopped actively acquiring new music that he or she liked with the same intensity as anything they picked up before that point. My general sense is that, with few exceptions to prove the rule, this is a very typical experience. But because I don't have a permanent account for nothing, I present: A POLL!

[Poll #1030363]

I realize that 3, 5, and 7 are sort of related, but they each have their own thing to contribute, and I bet some of you will be surprised how differently you might answer them. Enjoy!

Comments

[edgehopper.livejournal.com]

That's a very strange definition of sensing vs. intuition, and I usually come out as xNTx, with the x's being filled in differently depending on my mood.

I prefer to think of it as: An S looks at an apple and says, "It's an apple, it's green and round". An N looks at an apple and says, "It's an apple, it's a type of fruit that can be eaten as is or used to make other products such as pies."

Or from a word association perspective: The S matches "apple" with "round", "green", or "red". The N matches "apple" with "fruit", "pie", or "juice".

[hslayer.livejournal.com]

oooh, MBTI is fun; I'm a textbook INTJ.

And yeah, like edgehopper says about Ns, it's really about seeing things for what they could be more than for what they are. I encounter anything new, and before I even take it in fully, I'm trying to analyze its utility. "What can I do with this?" often precedes "What is this?"

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

This is actually relevant to this last weekend, what with going to a folk festival and walking out with CDs from three new artists.

I may be atypical, since my answers didn't really fit in your poll, so here goes:
-there is a class of music that I listened to as a kid and through high school that I still listen to with regularity. I consider this "good" music, and is mostly classic rock.
-there is a class of music that I listened to etc., etc. that I only listen to when I'm feeling nostalgic, and even then not for very long. This is generally billboard top 10 stuff and includes the first couple albums I bought.
-I now actively seek out new bands and genres, often through research on the internet. Yes, I do surf "similar items" on amazon, listen to the thirty second samples, and then buy the CD. So sue me. Now I have a tendency to go "huh, I like that song--let me buy every album this band has recorded," whereas previously I tended to buy just the album with the songs I knew and then only listen to those tracks and ignore the others. In other words, I like buying albums I've never heard and training myself to like them. I went through a nostalgic phase in high school where I amassed a huge number of CDs of the music my dad listens to. At the time I only listened to the tracks I knew, but I've been going back and rediscovering the other tracks on those albums. I enjoy now really getting to know the evolution of the sound of a group.
-I tend to only listen to music from one of these classes at a time. I've long had a policy of making mixes made up of songs that I like the same amount--nothing ruins a mix like having a whole bunch of songs I like pretty well and one I love. I always want to skip to that one track.

My listening habits have changed as circumstances changed. For example, in school, I always listened to soundtracks or classical while studying. Since I no longer have an activity like that, I don't listen to soundtracks as much. And I still buy music by just browsing shelves in a record store, which I used to do back in the days of my first paychecks.

But then, you know me. I probably have more than five hundred albums now and about 50 or 60 gigs on my computer.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

The associative examples of what an N would think that my sister gave me were more allegorical/metaphorical still. She said "N sees and apple and thinks of original sin."

I just patently don't, and I expressed my belief that no one really looks at an apple and goes "Ooh, pie!" or "Ooh, Garden of Eden!" and she said that's because I'm an S. I still say bullshit. You see an apple, you go, "Apple" followed by things that apple is, not things that apple could be. Sure, I might get around to "Oh, pie!" but there's first gotta be the "green" part.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

And, as I said to him, I just think it's a load of horse shit. It's fucking apple! Some times a cigar really is just a cigar!!!

You crazy Ns!!!

[moonlightalice.livejournal.com]

I think that generally speaking my musical tastes have expanded and only the heavy metal has dropped away. What's weird to me about listening to music from high school is that I used to get SO ABSORBED into a song/ album/ artist. I would sit there and have these moments of incredibly intense introspection and find so much meaning in everything. It really affected me. And now I listen to those songs and am more reminded of those feelings, a sort of dull ache that's since replaced the violence of those earlier emotions. It's a weird feeling, and I don't particularly like it. I always want to turn it off but I never do.

[viridian.livejournal.com]

Man. I just realized that I'm really judgmental about people and their relationships to music. Like, I will never judge anyone for liking crap because I like just about everything, but I looked at the people's answers that were like "I stopped listening to new music" or "I listen to music less often" or "My tastes have never changed" and internally I sort of went "... what's wrong with you?"

Apparently I am a different sort of musical snob. :P

[hslayer.livejournal.com]

That's why we show a much higher correlation to high IQ than you guys. :P

[arcane-the-sage.livejournal.com]

Some times a cigar really is just a cigar!!!

...except when it's a cuban =-þ


Yay N's ^_^

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Interesting analysis :)

It's funny about the soundtrack thing--I don't listen to soundtracks from musicals much any more though I used to all the time. One I remember being really attached to was Miss Saigon and I can barely stand it now.

I have a lot of music, new and new-to-me that I need to listen to but almost no interest in doing so. The pack-rat in me, though, could rival you for a music collection since I have yet to delete anything I've downloaded.

[chuckro.livejournal.com]

Some times a cigar really is just a cigar!!!

And sometimes it's a poorly-disguised phallic symbol.

[cbreakr.livejournal.com]

Myers-Briggs has apparently been very successfully applied in the business world. A lot of executives swear by it for their socially-engineering-the-workplace needs (kinda scary, but that's what big-time HR people do). As a basic principle, if big business sees something as useful then there's probably something to it.

At my last job, we went to a sort of corporate retreat for personality testing and I'm apparently the prototype for INFJ, slipping slightly into INTJ. My manager was my exact opposite except for the N, which kind of explained why we fundamentally couldn't stand each other. My type (in males especially) is by far the rarest, highly confusing to the others, and often perceived as a threat by dominant males.

I often see implications of things before I take in their basic characteristics, sometimes to the point of not being able to recognize them consciously until someone or something else prompts me to. Everything (really, everything) is part of layered metaphorical hierarchy; there are no simple and separate objects or ideas.

[cbreakr.livejournal.com]

sing it, brother

[cbreakr.livejournal.com]

... and sometimes it's unconsciously a statement of denial referencing what really is a poorly-disguised phallic symbol which can't be avoided because the sentence, the object, and the interpretation have become overloaded with implications, making it a sort of cultural black-hole that can't effectively carry meaning except as a metaphor for this very phenomenon.

... and that's a typical thought in my INFJ head.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

I still get those emotions. I just feel kind of silly getting worked up about it. But play "More than This" for me, and I go a big rubbery one. We were in Banana Republic at Woodbury Commons and they were playing it and I sang, a tad louder than is really privately, the whole thing just to keep myself focused and not, I dunno, grind against some dummies.

A lot of the stuff that I liked, really, really liked, I can fall right back into the same head-set that I had when I first heard it.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Nothing's wrong with us. Maybe we just got music-saturated. I have always preferred known to unknown and that previous sense of liking something new and untested, which was never very great, just got drowned out by that. I still pick up new things, but more often than not? They're by bands I already know; are covers of songs I've heard before; or I get them from a movie or something. Rare is the time a song I've not heard comes on the radio where I stop and go, "Wow, I want that." I've downloaded fanmixes and had almost no success at pulling in anything off them. It's just...I have music I know I like, and when I make time for it, I want that, not stuff that's untested.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

It's not that I don't see things in metaphor. I am a writer, so I am quite capable of meta-ing the shit out of an everyday object. The point is that I have to make the effort to see that apple as a tree of knowledge versus, "Yes, that's an apple all right." So, while I get what Ns see in it--I can make all the same connections et al--I still do not believe in Ns who seem to see that first to the exclusion of physical reality. I just...don't.

In other words, I am such an ST.