I love stupidity, too, sometimes

[trinityvixen]

Some stupidity that is so tremendously weak you can beat up on it is kinda fun, in its way. From yesterday's post, I found another gem from that same commenter at Savage Blog. It's a dooooooosy:

There was a measure of irresponsibility here on the part of the prospective parents, there's no question about that. It could've been handled in a more measured way...

I love it when idiots attempt to co-opt your argument by saying part of it is right, but...

but trying to imply that since they were having fertility problems they should've avoided medical help is total nonsense. A man and a woman as a couple are equipped by nature to reproduce, that's the core purpose and basic fabric that allows the existence of humanity.

That's funny, God designed people to see, hear, speak, breathe, and process glucose correctly, but there are so many people who can't do any of those things, whether by birth or by circumstance. All that is "natural" yet people can't do it. Yet Christian apologists would oppose stem cell research that could help with any number of these things. That's science meant to return people to their "nature," too. So where's the support for that? Oh right, kills bebbies. My mistake. Does that mean we can stop attacking scientists who don't...no? We can't?

In past times medicinal and other methods were employed to assist those couples having difficulties, now that science is more advanced why should people of faith not make us of them? They're not deviating from God's purpose (hint) and one can easily argue that it has been the Creator Himself who has allowed for the advancement of science in this realm to help those couples who nature has provided with the responsibility and joy of reproduction.

Ah yes, the old "If it's good, God gets all the credit" canard. God wanted us to fix the flaws in his perfect design! That makes no sense. God designed us with a purpose...which he also--purposefully!--screwed all to hell for the few faithful because he never gets tired of that Job story.

You cannot fully understand this if you look at it thru the prism of your lifestyle mr Savage because not even with medical help like Mr and Mrs. Stansel are you or the man you're with can conceive and take part in the miracle of reproduction cause you as people of the same gender are not equipped to do that."

Yet, as was pointed out, Savage is biologically related to his son. Also, wouldn't you love to live in a world where the ability to conceive is the definition of understanding what it's like to hold life precious? Doesn't that seem like the most disastrously horrible place to be? Where the only people who are allowed to weigh in on human life are those who are physically capable of producing some? There's a healthy conditional for morality!

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[chuckro.livejournal.com]

Where the only people who are allowed to weigh in on human life are those who are physically capable of producing some? There's a healthy conditional for morality!

So, obviously, that means that all judges should be women, right? Because only woman are capable of producing the "miracle of life"?

Except, of course, that we know this dickwad is defending the right of straight white men to make decisions, and will make up any Insane Troll Logic that will help his point.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

No, you're missing the core of the argument, which is I am right and therefore if you disagree with me, you have no right to make a judgment on the subject. That's an even better convenient conditional for morality.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

HA! If only.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

No, you're missing the core of the argument, which is I am right and therefore if you disagree with me, you have no right to make a judgment on the subject. That's an even better convenient conditional for morality.

Never before has "my way or the high way" been so literal. Either we all live in this asshole's approximation of how life should be, or we could actually choose the moral high ground. Sheesh.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

So, obviously, that means that all judges should be women, right? Because only woman are capable of producing the "miracle of life"?

Nope, because this sort of thinking goes hand-in-hand with magical sperm logic--sperm is the thing that creates life, dontchaknow?

[jethrien.livejournal.com]

If humans are capable of doing something, clearly God intended that to be their purpose.

There is only one activity that every human being, regardless of disability or circumstance, is capable of doing.

Clearly, God's intention for us all is to die.

So what't the problem with us helping people achieve God's special plan for them?

(No, I do not actually believe this, but I feel like it's the logical extension of the crazy argument.)

[equustel.livejournal.com]

Also, wouldn't you love to live in a world where the ability to conceive is the definition of understanding what it's like to hold life precious?

That is the biggest LOGIC!FAIL of the whole mess, right there. Ugh, I wish people would stop trying to use God and/or the universe as an excuse for their decisions. We have no idea what "God's will" is when it comes to situations like these, and He's made it quite clear what he thinks of us putting words in His mouth. You therefore make your choice after lots of careful consideration (and prayer, if you swing that way), and live with that choice. You own it; it's yours. What's with trying to pass off the responsibility to God or whoever else might be a handy scapegoat? It's obnoxious.

God designed us with a purpose...which he also--purposefully!--screwed all to hell for the few faithful because he never gets tired of that Job story.

I humbly suggest that the Job story has a bit more meat to it than that. ;)

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

You're through the looking glass!

(Also, way to point out the Emperor isn't wearing any clothes!)

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

You therefore make your choice after lots of careful consideration (and prayer, if you swing that way), and live with that choice. You own it; it's yours. What's with trying to pass off the responsibility to God or whoever else might be a handy scapegoat?

You've hit on it with the responsibility aspect--if I don't have to be the one making the decision, I don't have to be responsible for when it all goes to pot. Responsibility is an awesome thing, so I'm not surprised that it closely ties into God complexes, of either the human or supernatural variety.

I humbly suggest that the Job story has a bit more meat to it than that. ;)

Oh, no, I was thinking that that is what these idiots are thinking. They think they're being tested. The rest of us go, "You're a Job of you own invention. But if you were being tested, you failed."

It reminds me of that joke about a guy sitting on his roof during a flood. A boat comes by and offers to get him to safety, and he says, "No, the Lord will save me." Then the Coast Guard comes, and he refuses to go with because "The Lord will save me." The last helicopter picking up survivors comes by, and he says the same thing. Not surprisingly, he drowns. He gets to Heaven and asks God why He didn't save him. "I sent you a boat, the Coast Guard and a helicopter, what else was I supposed to do?"

That "joke" seems more clever by half when held opposite someone actually hoping not to drown like these idiots.

[equustel.livejournal.com]

Ahh, I gotcha re: Job. Totally.

And I love the helicopter joke - it's practically a parable, because I've encountered so many people like that (or at least dangerously close). On a less obvious level, it applies to people who keep saying things like "oh, I'm just waiting for God to show me what to do" when there's all these open doors around them (and people offering help). I picture God just drumming His fingers in eternal boredom, waiting for them to choose something already, and listen to all the people He's placed in their lives.