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There's a longer post coming, but just a quick shout-out to
bigscary,
darkling1,
kent_allard_jr, and
teneda for moving that TV for us. We are mighty with the power, and we could not have done it without you. I hope the margaritas and cookies will soothe any muscle pulls.
Also, HOW F'ING COOL DOES THIS LOOK?!?!?!?! That's our first shot of Venom, ladies and gents. Look and love. I do.
I now completely trust that Sam Raimi has everything in hand with Spider-Man 3. In Raimi we trust, people.
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Also, HOW F'ING COOL DOES THIS LOOK?!?!?!?! That's our first shot of Venom, ladies and gents. Look and love. I do.
I now completely trust that Sam Raimi has everything in hand with Spider-Man 3. In Raimi we trust, people.
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Date: 2006-07-23 10:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-23 10:48 pm (UTC)Raimi or not, this is beginning to sound like X-Men 3...
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Date: 2006-07-23 10:55 pm (UTC)How are you recovering from last night?
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Date: 2006-07-23 10:52 pm (UTC)I think the black costume story can be done at the beginning and be wrapped--as in Peter gets rids of it--by the halfway point in time for Eddie Brock to pick it up (they did Venom's story pretty well in two eps of the Spider-Man cartoon, so I think Raimi can do it better in under an hour). At the same time, Peter and MJ getting closer/backing off because of the black costume leaves the opening for the second Goblin to start insinuating himself into the mix. Also, it's possible that he'll bring in Sandman to mess/mix things up while he stays out of it.
I still trust Raimi will get it right. Better than X-Men: the Last Stand, for sure.
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Date: 2006-07-23 11:05 pm (UTC)While I'm thinking about this, I also forgot that the Lizard was supposed to be in this movie too.
The whole mess could be made so much better if they'd just have Spidey not make the big mistake of dumping the symbiote costume. I've never understood why he did that. It's a virtually indestructible costume which makes its own webbing, enhances his strength and allows him to be a chameleon! The comic never explains why he's so freaked out about it, other than that it wants to bond with him permanently -- but so what?
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Date: 2006-07-23 11:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-23 11:23 pm (UTC)In any case, this must have been added later. I have the whole black costume story in a bound volume at home. None of this is in there, so Peter wouldn't know any of it at the time.
And anyway, how the hell is he even going to have the opportunity to get the symbiote? The background for the story where he gets it in the comic just isn't there. I'm guessing it's going to be some experimental project or something, which would make the excuse that it's an evil conquering species irrelevant.
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Date: 2006-07-24 03:44 am (UTC)As for the symbiote being evil, I thought that was there from the beginning, but I was wrong, clearly. What Peter knew is that it was a conscious entity trying to meld with him. That's admittedly pretty scary. And if it's an adrenaline junkie, it might cause Spidey to do severe things, and he's got enough of a PR problem as is, neh?
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Date: 2006-07-24 04:25 am (UTC)It's possible the evilitude was there in the part where he actually GETS the symbiote. I only have the part starting after all the superheroes get back to Earth up to where Mr. Fantastic forcibly separates the symbiote from Peter. The thing about it wanting to bond with him and him freaking out was what I was thinking. But at that point, he didn't know anything about it and what it fed on etc.
More on evilness: Venom is reckless and hated Spidey, but wasn't evil. He thought Spidey/PP was the evil one. And in fact, after they had a final fight and Venom decided Spidey wasn't so bad after all, there was a miniseries with Venom as the protagonist. I never read that comic, but from the impossible to understand Wikipedia entry on Venom (which really shows the schizophrenia of the Marvel universe), it seems like he's basically a Punisher type antihero.
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Date: 2006-07-24 05:28 am (UTC)Venom could be cool on screen as a more schizo character with an antipathy not for Spider-Man but for Peter--in the first movie, there's a toss-away line about Eddie (assuming that means Brock) having tried to get pics of Spidey for weeks. Then Peter shows up and gets amazings ones in a heartbeat. My guess is that would leave a guy kinda bitter. Combined with the symbiote nursing hurt feelings over being rejected, and you have a Venom with issues with our hero that aren't "Wah wah you killed my eeeeevil daddy, wah wah."
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Date: 2006-07-24 05:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-24 05:35 am (UTC)Cool.
a quick Venom clarification
Date: 2006-07-24 07:04 pm (UTC)In fact, as they later went into in the Venom comics, Venom is very much a heroic figure in his own mind. He feels the need to protect the "innocent" from any form of harm. He eventually forgives Spiderman for "taking away his innocence" from when spiderman got rid of it.
PS: The what if comic where the venom symbiote ends up missing Brock and combining with the Punisher shows just how individualistic the symbiote binding really is. In that comic the Venom/Punisher could care less about spiderman but cuts a path of destruction through the criminal underworld (to quote "Webs? What the hell? Wait, now that more a like it." *as his arms shift from webbing to bullet production* ).
Re: a quick Venom clarification
Date: 2006-07-24 09:26 pm (UTC)Re: a quick Venom clarification
Date: 2006-07-25 03:32 pm (UTC)Venom on the other hand never really bore any ill will to anyone but Spiderman (though those around Spidy did get pulled into the mix). For Venom it was more about avenging a wrong more than anything else. It was only when others attacked or threatened him that he would respond in kind. If Spiderman was not an established hero, Venom might not have even gotten the "villain" label.
Re: a quick Venom clarification
Date: 2006-07-25 03:56 pm (UTC)As for Doom, meh to him. I still can't call up any interest. Then again, the FF folk have never been very interesting to me. I've read a few select bits (JMS had an interesting short run on the main title that was good) and some of Ultimate, but I just can't get enthused about their stuff.
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