Crazy Heroes Stuff
Feb. 6th, 2007 01:47 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
trinityvixenSo, I was thinking--all morning, in fact, thanks to some excellent thinky-stuffs and prompts from ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
linaerys--about last night's big reveal and what not and just how...wow, this is really important. Or, at least, a truly great show could make it important. As is, Heroes may be crack, but it's not necessarily great (if I were capable of being objective, that's what I'd say).
But it is important. The crazy connected-ness of the characters is ridiculous, yes (hello, season 2 of LOST), but this actually makes sense in some way, if Mr. Bennet knew who Claire's father was. Hear me out on this because this is like the first time I've gone nutty conspiracy-theorist on this show's ass.
Mr. Bennet is a pretty savvy guy. He rescued Claire, I assume, in midst of chasing down her mother (for proof, I offer: his testimony about taking her in and the difficulties faced when a super-powered individual mistakes his intentions; and the fact that he knows a lot about Claude and the people Claude interacted with). That means he probably knows she started the fire that burned the building down, and no mind-wiping was necessary (Claire's mom seems to remember everything) because he just took the baby and didn't make a big deal of it.
There's a line in the episode where Claire meets her fake biological parents where her adopted mother mentions how hard Mr. Bennet looked for Claire's natural parents. In the context of him having chased her mother to the point that she burned a building down, fine, that takes care of that. But would Bennet really stop there? I have a distinct impression that he knew, well in advance of knowing anything for certain about Nathan's powers, that Nathan was Claire's biological father. Nathan appeared normal (aside from the car crash, he didn't know anything of his powers before the show started, so it's a fair surmise that Nathan didn't know or didn't investigate any super-leanings). Bennet would have figured Claire's invulnerability to be the mother's side of the family at work.
Then Chandra Suresh enters the picture. Bennet met with him, and Nathan's picture was featured prominently on his map-o-heroes (probably because, Nathan being minorly famous, he could get a picture). Shortly thereafter, Mr. Bennet goes and retrieves Nathan from his hotel room in Vegas (question: people who remember the ep better--was the Haitian guy just not there for Nathan to be able to get away?). Niki is there, and Niki and her entire family are on the list, but it's possible they weren't on the map. Apparently, the seven or so letters needed to unlock Suresh's secret database were impossible for Bennet or his team to crack, so he won't know about them (though, he did say that they should only 'take the one,' so maybe he did know about Niki...)
The important part here is that he took Nathan. When that aired for the first time, there was great speculation about Bennet and his motives, and suggestion that he took Nathan because a) he wasn't ready to handle Niki or b) that she was the obvious choice (in terms of having desireable powers in need of control) and so the show went with Nathan to fake us out). Now I'm wondering if there was a specific reason to chose Nathan that has nothing to do with ability and everything to do with personal stuff. When Nathan took off like a jet plane, Bennet seemed genuinely surprised, meaning that while he might have known Nathan was special from the map, he had no idea what his powers were--probably, again, because Nathan didn't even know or try to find out; given that Nathan survived, mostly intact and far away from the car wreck that crippled his wife, it's possible Bennet supposed Nathan to have powers similar to Claire's, which is very X-Men of him (and which he probably reads! Woo! Geeks represent!).
And now I am freaking out. Bennet made no more moves to capture Nathan after that first one, which is...weird. From what we've seen, he captures in an attempt to work out what people do and, if they're useful to him, co-opt them into helping him out. If not, he dumps 'em back in the waters. He got to see what Nathan did, and then did...nothing. Hell, he's been in New York since then to give his card to Mohinder, so he could have just as easily gone and seen Nathan with the Haitian dude and put Nathan down. Nathan's high-profile and his bodyguards are a liability and a problem, but they're not a complete roadblock (clearly, since the doofuses let Nathan get taken out from under their noses the first time). Has he gotten what he needed from Nathan? If Nathan and Claire's mom are meeting up, I have a feeling Bennet will know about it (it's debateable whether or not he even knows the mother is alive, but he's probably keeping tabs on Nathan--and Peter, too, as he knows Peter can do something from their run-in at the high school after Sylar attacked).
I'm freaking out, man. I am totally freaking out. Because if Bennet knows, fuck--fuck! I can't be more coherent than that. The potential for drama is...my head hurts. It really depends on how Nathan reacts to the news and under what circumstances Claire was conceived. All we saw was shock when he got the phone call. The total lack of intimacy between him and her mother--she says something about him probably having forgotten her or not remembering her well--suggests that he was surprised to hear from her but he knew about them having a baby (the language she uses confirms that he would know who she meant, even if he didn't know the girl). The promo seemed to have him at a sneering reserved distance (oh, Adrian Pasdar, how I loveth thee so for your disdain for the rest of the world in your acting), but that could very well be nerves on his part (Nathan, caught out in an indiscretion, totally freezes or else brushes it off like you're the dick for bringing it up), especially with his high profile. It could also, sadly, be a coping mechanism, and now I want to know if there was ever a time Nathan wanted to be involved with his daughter's life, and that never happened and Bennet is evilevilevil. Or maybe Nathan never did want to know her, and Bennet is so much nicer and kind and ohmygodmyheartisgoingtobreakifClaireturnsherbackonhim.
linaerys--about last night's big reveal and what not and just how...wow, this is really important. Or, at least, a truly great show could make it important. As is, Heroes may be crack, but it's not necessarily great (if I were capable of being objective, that's what I'd say).But it is important. The crazy connected-ness of the characters is ridiculous, yes (hello, season 2 of LOST), but this actually makes sense in some way, if Mr. Bennet knew who Claire's father was. Hear me out on this because this is like the first time I've gone nutty conspiracy-theorist on this show's ass.
Mr. Bennet is a pretty savvy guy. He rescued Claire, I assume, in midst of chasing down her mother (for proof, I offer: his testimony about taking her in and the difficulties faced when a super-powered individual mistakes his intentions; and the fact that he knows a lot about Claude and the people Claude interacted with). That means he probably knows she started the fire that burned the building down, and no mind-wiping was necessary (Claire's mom seems to remember everything) because he just took the baby and didn't make a big deal of it.
There's a line in the episode where Claire meets her fake biological parents where her adopted mother mentions how hard Mr. Bennet looked for Claire's natural parents. In the context of him having chased her mother to the point that she burned a building down, fine, that takes care of that. But would Bennet really stop there? I have a distinct impression that he knew, well in advance of knowing anything for certain about Nathan's powers, that Nathan was Claire's biological father. Nathan appeared normal (aside from the car crash, he didn't know anything of his powers before the show started, so it's a fair surmise that Nathan didn't know or didn't investigate any super-leanings). Bennet would have figured Claire's invulnerability to be the mother's side of the family at work.
Then Chandra Suresh enters the picture. Bennet met with him, and Nathan's picture was featured prominently on his map-o-heroes (probably because, Nathan being minorly famous, he could get a picture). Shortly thereafter, Mr. Bennet goes and retrieves Nathan from his hotel room in Vegas (question: people who remember the ep better--was the Haitian guy just not there for Nathan to be able to get away?). Niki is there, and Niki and her entire family are on the list, but it's possible they weren't on the map. Apparently, the seven or so letters needed to unlock Suresh's secret database were impossible for Bennet or his team to crack, so he won't know about them (though, he did say that they should only 'take the one,' so maybe he did know about Niki...)
The important part here is that he took Nathan. When that aired for the first time, there was great speculation about Bennet and his motives, and suggestion that he took Nathan because a) he wasn't ready to handle Niki or b) that she was the obvious choice (in terms of having desireable powers in need of control) and so the show went with Nathan to fake us out). Now I'm wondering if there was a specific reason to chose Nathan that has nothing to do with ability and everything to do with personal stuff. When Nathan took off like a jet plane, Bennet seemed genuinely surprised, meaning that while he might have known Nathan was special from the map, he had no idea what his powers were--probably, again, because Nathan didn't even know or try to find out; given that Nathan survived, mostly intact and far away from the car wreck that crippled his wife, it's possible Bennet supposed Nathan to have powers similar to Claire's, which is very X-Men of him (and which he probably reads! Woo! Geeks represent!).
And now I am freaking out. Bennet made no more moves to capture Nathan after that first one, which is...weird. From what we've seen, he captures in an attempt to work out what people do and, if they're useful to him, co-opt them into helping him out. If not, he dumps 'em back in the waters. He got to see what Nathan did, and then did...nothing. Hell, he's been in New York since then to give his card to Mohinder, so he could have just as easily gone and seen Nathan with the Haitian dude and put Nathan down. Nathan's high-profile and his bodyguards are a liability and a problem, but they're not a complete roadblock (clearly, since the doofuses let Nathan get taken out from under their noses the first time). Has he gotten what he needed from Nathan? If Nathan and Claire's mom are meeting up, I have a feeling Bennet will know about it (it's debateable whether or not he even knows the mother is alive, but he's probably keeping tabs on Nathan--and Peter, too, as he knows Peter can do something from their run-in at the high school after Sylar attacked).
I'm freaking out, man. I am totally freaking out. Because if Bennet knows, fuck--fuck! I can't be more coherent than that. The potential for drama is...my head hurts. It really depends on how Nathan reacts to the news and under what circumstances Claire was conceived. All we saw was shock when he got the phone call. The total lack of intimacy between him and her mother--she says something about him probably having forgotten her or not remembering her well--suggests that he was surprised to hear from her but he knew about them having a baby (the language she uses confirms that he would know who she meant, even if he didn't know the girl). The promo seemed to have him at a sneering reserved distance (oh, Adrian Pasdar, how I loveth thee so for your disdain for the rest of the world in your acting), but that could very well be nerves on his part (Nathan, caught out in an indiscretion, totally freezes or else brushes it off like you're the dick for bringing it up), especially with his high profile. It could also, sadly, be a coping mechanism, and now I want to know if there was ever a time Nathan wanted to be involved with his daughter's life, and that never happened and Bennet is evilevilevil. Or maybe Nathan never did want to know her, and Bennet is so much nicer and kind and ohmygodmyheartisgoingtobreakifClaireturnsherbackonhim.
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Date: 2007-02-06 08:51 pm (UTC)Never apologize for being able to say in one paragraph as much as takes me thirty to work out. Succinctness is of the good. Also, you don't ever have to apologize for Nathan squee.
It's an interesting idea that Meredith set the fire to try to get away from Mr. Bennet?
It depends on how you read the things he says. Far as I know, he rarely outright lies. He withholds and says nothing or tells people to wait long enough to get his Haitian friend to do some mindwiping so he doesn't have to lie. So, he told Isaac (I think, I might be misremembering who he told exactly, it might have been Eden) that sometimes when he goes after supers, they resist and things don't go well, and this was the case when he went to see Claire's mother (I forget if he just said her mother or mentioned her and the father both, in which case MY HEAD EXPLODES WITH MEANING). There was a problem, and the mother died. I tend to believe that Mr. Bennet honestly did think Meredith went down in flames (no pun intended...okay, well a little pun intended). Whether it was a conscious thing or an accident, I don't know, but she took what she could get out of it, and she thought Claire was lost.
That's another thing--I totally believe her when she says Claire was dead. If Bennet knew she were alive, she wouldn't be free (she, unlike, say, Matt or Nathan, is dangerous). That means she's stayed off the grid as best she's able (reason for the trailer, perhaps?), so it makes sense she would think Claire was dead. Whether that's what actually happened, I dunno. But why else would she have fallen out of touch with Nathan. I daresay he wasn't surprised she was still alive to call him. As to whether he knew specifically about the fire or not, that's completely "who knows?" you're right.
He's such a magnificent bastard.
Yeah. That's why I ::heart:: him. Hell, that's why I still watch Smallville, in hopes John Glover will continue to be the Magnificent Bastard(TM) he was born to be (onscreen).
But his initial reaction is probably also a lot of, "I SO don't need this right now.
I LOVED that bit when he went to see Mohinder. You could see him swallowing his own bile to even condescend to go see Mohinder in the first place (woo! some continuity on this show! finally!), and then Mohinder's like, "Wait, you're on this list, too, remember?" And Nathan's all "Would you like to help me on the problem that I want to focus on, or should I feed you your own testicles first and then get on with what I want done? Doesn't matter to me."
Adrian Pasdar really does disdain better than anyone else. At least anyone else who is not British. *loves*
It's like the British patented it, isn't it? Ah, but Pasdar does do it so well. He must be the nicest guy ever because he uses all that up onscreen (one hopes that his immense hottness is not so similarly spent, or at least one would hope this for his wife if one did not resent her mightily for the crime of having sex with Adrian Pasdar on a routine basis).
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Date: 2007-02-06 09:48 pm (UTC)Would you like to help me on the problem that I want to focus on, or should I feed you your own testicles first and then get on with what I want done? Doesn't matter to me."
BWAH! But then Mohinder is all FORCEFUL with him about Peter. Shows Nathan's willing to be pushed around a little if he thinks it will help Peter, or he's grasping at straws there.
his immense hottness is not so similarly spent
I don't think you can spend all that. Man, if I had him in my bed, with that voice and those . . . everything, I don't think I'd ever get up. I can only sigh with envy, and be glad that at least he's on TV so the rest of us can see his hotness too.
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Date: 2007-02-06 09:53 pm (UTC)(although I will ask if that said FOR SURE that Nathan was having nothing to do with his babymomma or if that's just angst waiting to happen as another girlfriend comes out of the woodwork)
Mohinder is all FORCEFUL with him about Peter
Well, as forceful as Mohinder gets. I've even had to check myself against calling him Moyawnder like Erin at TWoP because, yeah, really...
Man, if I had him in my bed, with that voice and those . . . everything, I don't think I'd ever get up.
Makes you wish you lived on planet Amazonia, where men are used for snu-snu until their deaths from crushed pelvises. Ah, snu-snu.
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Date: 2007-02-07 04:45 pm (UTC)Mr. Bennet's little zoo has less to do about whether or not one is dangerous and more to do with whether or not they are "useful". Just take a look at Rad-man (good as name as any). Here's a guy who is constantly putting out radiation, and at times enough to cause things in his environment to melt. Can't get more dangerous than that. Yet the guy was in Bennet's hands and let go. The guy was even brought in by the FBI as a possible terrorist and Mr. Bennet has yet to even notice. I suspect that the only reason (other than Claire) that Bennet went after Sylar was because a) he was offing other metahumans and b) he had some means in which to find one that Bennet himself did not have.
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Date: 2007-02-07 05:02 pm (UTC)