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ivy03 linked to this journal post, which tried to suss out the order of things in the At World's End universe. Clearly, due to faults of both writers and editors and filmmakers et al, a lot of this stuff didn't come through in the films themselves.
My take on it, in as roughly a chronological order as I can fix it:
Davy Jones became captain of the Dutchman to win Calypso's love. I'm fairly certain that's the jist of it. It's marked as being a cursed position, but that might just be because of the fact that Davy Jones ended up doing it for ages (Calypso was sealed by the first court of pirates, and now they're onto a fourth, with every indication that a lot of time passed between). Okay, it also sucks to be undead for ten years with such a tenuous means of freeing yourself, but dollars to donuts, Davy Jones went into it on purpose to prove himself a worthy lover to a goddess. His optimistic assumption that she'll be waiting for him isn't too bad--I mean, she must be around to see that, if the curse of The Flying Dutchman is lifted for a particular captain, that a new one is found...right?
Anyway, Davy Jones goes off, does what she wants him to do (temporarily immortal, or at least unkillable by the sea, drowning, etc), and comes back to no goddess waiting for him. At this point, the question of whether or not he's cursed for another ten years or for eternity is moot. It doesn't really matter to him, does it? He has no promise, no guarantee that if he continues to do his job he'll a) actually get another day on shore, and b) ever see Calypso waiting for him. Dude, that sucks (and is why I more readily see people inferring captaincy of The Flying Dutchman to be a curse, 'cause look how it turned out for Davy Jones).
Pissed off that he has to go back to sea for ten years without promise she'll ever be there, Davy Jones tracks down some pirates to bind her, hoping to inflict pain upon her (and, just maybe? If she's bound to human form, he might have a better chance of locating her next time). There's no question he would know how to do it--being a magical creature at this point (created by this same goddess), he's got his own mojo (as proven by his ability to command the dead). The heart cutting thing happens probably as a fit of pique 'cause he doesn't want to live without his love (melodrama much, Davy Jones?).
With Calypso bound, she can't work any magic beyond the voudoun of humanity that she learns. That, I think, creates the situation for the position of captain on the Dutchman to be bequeathed from one man to another rather than assigned. Because without a goddess around to pick someone out who'll do it, the job could fall vacant, and that Is A Bad Thing. When Davy Jones goes to cut out his heart to try and end his suffering (over regret for binding Calypso or hurt for her betrayal--drama queen!), he finds he's still alive. All his vulnerability would, in the metaphorical sense, be contained within the heart (in the movie, he cries when it's nearby and he gets hysterical about having it near him, so that passes, I think). Metaphorical weakness meets magical weakness, and, being a magical creature, he works that out. So the heart thing would be separate (like the link says, he takes away his own immortality as captain by creating a focal point of vulnerability in his heart--which, excised from his body, isn't under the protection of immortality).
So, now there is a way to kill the captain of The Flying Dutchman, just as the curse that put Davy Jones into the position was made mostly permanent by the binding of Calypso. Therefore, whoever kills the captain becomes him and Bob's-your-uncle, you have a movie. Where the squid thing comes in, I cannot say. Also, how Will will survive with his heart in a box, I cannot tell you. Luckily, I don't like Will Turner or Elizabeth or their potentially series-imploding brat well enough to care. Am I the only one who would laugh until blue in the face if breaking the curse on Will resulted in his immediate death because of his heart being stabbed out? Probably.
Just some stuff that was interesting to me. Trying to work out the plot of a movie you saw in the rain at a drive-in is not easy.
Last night, we watched Ride with the Devil in my westerns class, which is about the disputes in and around Kansas as the Civil War geared up. It's distracting how many famous people were in this movie (I will murder my opponents in Six Degrees Of... now). Perhaps the most distracting? Jonathan Rhys Meyers and Tobey Maguire. They both looked like the prettiest girls in the whole west. It didn't help that the only recurring female was Jewel (yes, that Jewel). But until they cut Tobey Maguire's hair (so he looked like Peter Parker--distracting thing #2), he passed for a girl with a seriously cleft chin. Jonathan Rhys Meyers...if you didn't see his Adam's apple (and a lot of shots were dark so you couldn't)...WOW. Okay, so maybe he wasn't the prettiest girl (kinda vampy looking and his head was too small for his neck), but girl girl girl just the same.
And there were a ton of people in this, too: Skeet Ulrich, Simon Baker, Jeffrey Wright, Tom Wilkinson, Jim Caviziel, and, though he isn't a name, the guy who played Ed Norton's boss in Fight Club. I spent most of the first few minutes before he showed up trying to put a face to the name for Simon Baker. The second he was onscreen, I decided what I'm going to write my paper on: cannibalism! I'm going to use films with dramatizations of cannibalism in the west (and westward expansion) and use it to tie into the film Land of the Dead, which is essentially a western (thesis! thesis! thesis!). Simon Baker is the hero wanting to go his own way in a hostile land to escape the robber barons of the east. The only difference is the hostiles are zombies. That's it! BRILLIANT!
ivy03 linked to this journal post, which tried to suss out the order of things in the At World's End universe. Clearly, due to faults of both writers and editors and filmmakers et al, a lot of this stuff didn't come through in the films themselves.My take on it, in as roughly a chronological order as I can fix it:
Davy Jones became captain of the Dutchman to win Calypso's love. I'm fairly certain that's the jist of it. It's marked as being a cursed position, but that might just be because of the fact that Davy Jones ended up doing it for ages (Calypso was sealed by the first court of pirates, and now they're onto a fourth, with every indication that a lot of time passed between). Okay, it also sucks to be undead for ten years with such a tenuous means of freeing yourself, but dollars to donuts, Davy Jones went into it on purpose to prove himself a worthy lover to a goddess. His optimistic assumption that she'll be waiting for him isn't too bad--I mean, she must be around to see that, if the curse of The Flying Dutchman is lifted for a particular captain, that a new one is found...right?
Anyway, Davy Jones goes off, does what she wants him to do (temporarily immortal, or at least unkillable by the sea, drowning, etc), and comes back to no goddess waiting for him. At this point, the question of whether or not he's cursed for another ten years or for eternity is moot. It doesn't really matter to him, does it? He has no promise, no guarantee that if he continues to do his job he'll a) actually get another day on shore, and b) ever see Calypso waiting for him. Dude, that sucks (and is why I more readily see people inferring captaincy of The Flying Dutchman to be a curse, 'cause look how it turned out for Davy Jones).
Pissed off that he has to go back to sea for ten years without promise she'll ever be there, Davy Jones tracks down some pirates to bind her, hoping to inflict pain upon her (and, just maybe? If she's bound to human form, he might have a better chance of locating her next time). There's no question he would know how to do it--being a magical creature at this point (created by this same goddess), he's got his own mojo (as proven by his ability to command the dead). The heart cutting thing happens probably as a fit of pique 'cause he doesn't want to live without his love (melodrama much, Davy Jones?).
With Calypso bound, she can't work any magic beyond the voudoun of humanity that she learns. That, I think, creates the situation for the position of captain on the Dutchman to be bequeathed from one man to another rather than assigned. Because without a goddess around to pick someone out who'll do it, the job could fall vacant, and that Is A Bad Thing. When Davy Jones goes to cut out his heart to try and end his suffering (over regret for binding Calypso or hurt for her betrayal--drama queen!), he finds he's still alive. All his vulnerability would, in the metaphorical sense, be contained within the heart (in the movie, he cries when it's nearby and he gets hysterical about having it near him, so that passes, I think). Metaphorical weakness meets magical weakness, and, being a magical creature, he works that out. So the heart thing would be separate (like the link says, he takes away his own immortality as captain by creating a focal point of vulnerability in his heart--which, excised from his body, isn't under the protection of immortality).
So, now there is a way to kill the captain of The Flying Dutchman, just as the curse that put Davy Jones into the position was made mostly permanent by the binding of Calypso. Therefore, whoever kills the captain becomes him and Bob's-your-uncle, you have a movie. Where the squid thing comes in, I cannot say. Also, how Will will survive with his heart in a box, I cannot tell you. Luckily, I don't like Will Turner or Elizabeth or their potentially series-imploding brat well enough to care. Am I the only one who would laugh until blue in the face if breaking the curse on Will resulted in his immediate death because of his heart being stabbed out? Probably.
Just some stuff that was interesting to me. Trying to work out the plot of a movie you saw in the rain at a drive-in is not easy.
Last night, we watched Ride with the Devil in my westerns class, which is about the disputes in and around Kansas as the Civil War geared up. It's distracting how many famous people were in this movie (I will murder my opponents in Six Degrees Of... now). Perhaps the most distracting? Jonathan Rhys Meyers and Tobey Maguire. They both looked like the prettiest girls in the whole west. It didn't help that the only recurring female was Jewel (yes, that Jewel). But until they cut Tobey Maguire's hair (so he looked like Peter Parker--distracting thing #2), he passed for a girl with a seriously cleft chin. Jonathan Rhys Meyers...if you didn't see his Adam's apple (and a lot of shots were dark so you couldn't)...WOW. Okay, so maybe he wasn't the prettiest girl (kinda vampy looking and his head was too small for his neck), but girl girl girl just the same.
And there were a ton of people in this, too: Skeet Ulrich, Simon Baker, Jeffrey Wright, Tom Wilkinson, Jim Caviziel, and, though he isn't a name, the guy who played Ed Norton's boss in Fight Club. I spent most of the first few minutes before he showed up trying to put a face to the name for Simon Baker. The second he was onscreen, I decided what I'm going to write my paper on: cannibalism! I'm going to use films with dramatizations of cannibalism in the west (and westward expansion) and use it to tie into the film Land of the Dead, which is essentially a western (thesis! thesis! thesis!). Simon Baker is the hero wanting to go his own way in a hostile land to escape the robber barons of the east. The only difference is the hostiles are zombies. That's it! BRILLIANT!
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