Thing! And another thing!
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trinityvixenI think the "no really wtf?" tag really says it all, don't you?
Because I'm reading other people's reactions to last night's ep, and all I see are accumulating inconsistencies. Not unlike, you know, this show since season two, but seeing as we have a scarcity of new episodes to get it straight, WTF?
1) Cavil put the Final/First Five on the Colonies without them knowing. I call bullshit based on ages and established lines. We know that Tigh made friends with Adama like immediately after the Cylon War. What's the situation with that, then? I assume the Final Five didn't give the Centurions humanoid models, have Cavil rebel and become brainwashed/enslaved in that short time. I mean, maybe he was put out as a hostage, but if Ellen is the brains and couldn't leave the humanoid-model project, how did she play-act as his wife?
2) The planet of robots...created more robots...? They rebelled and went...where? I mean, the Final Five somehow knew to go find the humans at the Colonies (which they did at sublight speed. Even though they had gotten to Earth from Kobol somehow without spending thousands of years doing it?), which they had never been to...to stop humanity from creating robots...and they were too late because the robots already kicked up a fuss...SO THEY HELP THE ROBOTS? I mean, okay, maybe they want to make these less bad than the robots they created that killed them. But isn't this a perfect "fool me once" scenario?? Why couldn't they see Cavil's move coming when they knew to escape NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST on Earth via resurrection?
3) Anders is dead, right? Like breathing but brain dead. They're not going to Roslin-ret-con away an impossible medical complication like BRAIN DEATH (or, you know, TERMINAL CANCER IN ITS FINAL STAGES) with him just spontaneously getting better...right?![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
darkling1 suggested that it would be cool if he was resurrecting, or if someone would do the merciful thing (especially if the vegetative state persists) and put him out of his misery only to have him come back. But they can't come back any more.
4) Or can they? What the frak is up with Ellen resurrecting on the Cavil Basestar? Are all the Final Five's other forms there? Are they age-matched to the Final Five as they are now? Presumably, Ellen was A LOT younger when she and Saul kicked it around back on the Colonies. (We know Saul Tigh was because Adama flat-out said, "You used to have more hair and fewer wrinkles back when we knew each other for FORTY YEARS.) Why wouldn't she come back as a hot young thing? (Besides the fact that the actress can't?) Because of Cavil? Is he the hand-waving device now? Cavil did it! (Lucy Lawless was on this show, you know. Emphasis on was, alas.) They must have resurrected on their umpteen-thousand year trip to the Colonies. Where is THAT technology, and why can't Ellen or Anders go there? CAVIL DID IT.
5) The Simons and Dorals are tools and punks. What a frakkin' waste of Cylons. So Ellen created this super-awesome set of 2/6/8s that are, respectively, batshit, god-crazy, and emotionally unstable, but all of them in fun and interesting ways. (And apparently there was a really cool 7. Just one. Who Cavil murdered, naturally.) Then you have Cavil, and for all that he's throwing a teenage snit-shit-fit, he's at least smart and devious and questioning life and hating the answers and being a fascist who brain-fraks everyone so they don't have to know what seeeeeeeeekrit pains he suffers. At least he's doing shit. The Simons and Dorals? Are happy to just not rock the boat. Are happy being the Doctor and the Insurance Salesmen of the Cylon nation Mark 2. The fact that Cavil knew everything means that those two chose to be his fascist tools. He was like "We need not to do this thinking so much," and the Dorals and Simons are all "We're so down with that plan. Sitting around not thinking about shit is what we do, motherfrakker." Cavil is covering up his meddling, but they're totally behind his stated goals. They also have no sense of irony or destiny with the "We want to lobotomize and murder our brothers for thinking too much!" They'd have to--if they thought about what a bad precedent that sets, they'd be on the other side. If the explanation for that is "Cavil made them that way," (OMG, you mean CAVIL DID IT?) the question becomes why was it only them, and why couldn't he do it to the 2/3/6/8s? Or, is it as I suspect, and these models just always sucked? Like, Ellen shot her wad on 1/2/3, fell asleep for 4+5, and woke back up in time for #6???
6) And how did Cavil lobotomize the Final Five without the Simons' help? Or did they help, and he learned enough to lobotomize them in turn? Is it one happy memory mucking about on that basestar or what? CAVIL DID IT.
One of the TWoP reviews about the mutiny pointed out that the Cylons only ever serve to give humanity an outlet for frustration. Without them, the Fleet devours itself. This has always been true--the people of the Fleet split their loyalties between Roslin and Adama (wow, remember when they didn't always get along?); they came to blows over Cain and Adama's people not mixing; they fell over themselves voting for Baltar and trying to make a life on New Caprica despite that planet being less hospitable and generally fouler than the shit-ship. Now that we're tentatively "yay Cylons maybe a little and only a few of them only in small doses?" we need a new bad guy. Guess who it's gonna be?
Because I'm reading other people's reactions to last night's ep, and all I see are accumulating inconsistencies. Not unlike, you know, this show since season two, but seeing as we have a scarcity of new episodes to get it straight, WTF?
1) Cavil put the Final/First Five on the Colonies without them knowing. I call bullshit based on ages and established lines. We know that Tigh made friends with Adama like immediately after the Cylon War. What's the situation with that, then? I assume the Final Five didn't give the Centurions humanoid models, have Cavil rebel and become brainwashed/enslaved in that short time. I mean, maybe he was put out as a hostage, but if Ellen is the brains and couldn't leave the humanoid-model project, how did she play-act as his wife?
2) The planet of robots...created more robots...? They rebelled and went...where? I mean, the Final Five somehow knew to go find the humans at the Colonies (which they did at sublight speed. Even though they had gotten to Earth from Kobol somehow without spending thousands of years doing it?), which they had never been to...to stop humanity from creating robots...and they were too late because the robots already kicked up a fuss...SO THEY HELP THE ROBOTS? I mean, okay, maybe they want to make these less bad than the robots they created that killed them. But isn't this a perfect "fool me once" scenario?? Why couldn't they see Cavil's move coming when they knew to escape NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST on Earth via resurrection?
3) Anders is dead, right? Like breathing but brain dead. They're not going to Roslin-ret-con away an impossible medical complication like BRAIN DEATH (or, you know, TERMINAL CANCER IN ITS FINAL STAGES) with him just spontaneously getting better...right?
darkling1 suggested that it would be cool if he was resurrecting, or if someone would do the merciful thing (especially if the vegetative state persists) and put him out of his misery only to have him come back. But they can't come back any more.4) Or can they? What the frak is up with Ellen resurrecting on the Cavil Basestar? Are all the Final Five's other forms there? Are they age-matched to the Final Five as they are now? Presumably, Ellen was A LOT younger when she and Saul kicked it around back on the Colonies. (We know Saul Tigh was because Adama flat-out said, "You used to have more hair and fewer wrinkles back when we knew each other for FORTY YEARS.) Why wouldn't she come back as a hot young thing? (Besides the fact that the actress can't?) Because of Cavil? Is he the hand-waving device now? Cavil did it! (Lucy Lawless was on this show, you know. Emphasis on was, alas.) They must have resurrected on their umpteen-thousand year trip to the Colonies. Where is THAT technology, and why can't Ellen or Anders go there? CAVIL DID IT.
5) The Simons and Dorals are tools and punks. What a frakkin' waste of Cylons. So Ellen created this super-awesome set of 2/6/8s that are, respectively, batshit, god-crazy, and emotionally unstable, but all of them in fun and interesting ways. (And apparently there was a really cool 7. Just one. Who Cavil murdered, naturally.) Then you have Cavil, and for all that he's throwing a teenage snit-shit-fit, he's at least smart and devious and questioning life and hating the answers and being a fascist who brain-fraks everyone so they don't have to know what seeeeeeeeekrit pains he suffers. At least he's doing shit. The Simons and Dorals? Are happy to just not rock the boat. Are happy being the Doctor and the Insurance Salesmen of the Cylon nation Mark 2. The fact that Cavil knew everything means that those two chose to be his fascist tools. He was like "We need not to do this thinking so much," and the Dorals and Simons are all "We're so down with that plan. Sitting around not thinking about shit is what we do, motherfrakker." Cavil is covering up his meddling, but they're totally behind his stated goals. They also have no sense of irony or destiny with the "We want to lobotomize and murder our brothers for thinking too much!" They'd have to--if they thought about what a bad precedent that sets, they'd be on the other side. If the explanation for that is "Cavil made them that way," (OMG, you mean CAVIL DID IT?) the question becomes why was it only them, and why couldn't he do it to the 2/3/6/8s? Or, is it as I suspect, and these models just always sucked? Like, Ellen shot her wad on 1/2/3, fell asleep for 4+5, and woke back up in time for #6???
6) And how did Cavil lobotomize the Final Five without the Simons' help? Or did they help, and he learned enough to lobotomize them in turn? Is it one happy memory mucking about on that basestar or what? CAVIL DID IT.
One of the TWoP reviews about the mutiny pointed out that the Cylons only ever serve to give humanity an outlet for frustration. Without them, the Fleet devours itself. This has always been true--the people of the Fleet split their loyalties between Roslin and Adama (wow, remember when they didn't always get along?); they came to blows over Cain and Adama's people not mixing; they fell over themselves voting for Baltar and trying to make a life on New Caprica despite that planet being less hospitable and generally fouler than the shit-ship. Now that we're tentatively "yay Cylons maybe a little and only a few of them only in small doses?" we need a new bad guy. Guess who it's gonna be?
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Date: 2009-02-16 07:02 am (UTC)Not that I think the 12 tribes weren't a bunch of stupid fuckers themselves. From what I got from this episode, they ran out on awkward cousin Cylon and then hunkered down on the Colonies long enough to forget how annoying cousin Cylon was and started to miss him for the laugh value, at least, and brought him back without thinking about how those pea-snorters were eventually going to start blowing boogery pea-missiles at them again when they got half the chance.