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Leave it to me to ignore the significance of a bunch of TV actors getting to speak at the UN in favor of goggling at this:

Incidentally, am I the only one still rooting for [Starbuck] and Captain Lee “Apollo” Adama to get together for more than just a quickie? Given that Lee’s father, the commander, already thinks of Kara as a daughter, their union would make family gatherings, like their equivalent of Thanksgiving, all the more pleasant.

Yes, I know that my family reunion was much more pleasant this year after I hooked up with--and brought as my date--my dead sister's ex-fiance. Oh, how we laughed!

SRSLY U GUYZ, THE SPACE INCEST HAS INFECTED EVERYBODY. Stop stop stop.


(And yes, I know it's not technically incest. However, our incest taboos are much more about avoiding sexual relations with people we've been socialized to accept as our family than it is simply about not fucking people genetically related to us. It's the socialization aspect--two people socialized to be siblings, say--being overturned that really gives people the squick.)
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Date: 2009-03-19 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
If it worked like that, then her relationship with Zack would be equally incestuous.

Except that he only ever met her after Zak died. I don't think the incest works retroactively. :P

Date: 2009-03-23 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wellgull.livejournal.com
But that *does* undermine the socialization argument. (Or would, if it were still canon...)

Date: 2009-03-23 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
HA HA HA HA HA HA WHAT IS THIS "CANON" OF WHICH YOU SPEAK?

Date: 2009-03-19 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
Using the word "incest" to describe a Kara/Lee pairing undermines the serious of incest, because none of the actual problems with incest are present within the Kara/Lee pairing.

Brother-sister pairings are still incestuous in our culture and many others, even though there isn't a power imbalance per se. Does this specific couple have the problem that incestuous couples do? Not really? It's an open secret that they were having an affair together (though how open it was is debatable--maybe only their spouses knew for sure), and no one has recoiled in horror.

Except, I'll note, that Daddy? Has not been informed. To the best of my encyclopedic knowledge about this series. Sure, maybe that's because it's none of his business, but I think Lee and Kara have been careful enough to keep the people in te know about their affair to a minimum. Fear of Adama finding out is a good reason, given how he treats them both like his kids. There's also that scene when Kara came back from the dead where Lee talked about his feelings about her return overwhelming his suspicion of her as a Cylon in terms of love of a sibling. His appeal to his father was "What if it had been Zak?" It's an interesting choice of tactic, which, yeah, okay, he then went and snogged her, but I maintain that that was still icky. (His saying, "I believe you" was way more touching.)

And then there's fandom. Lee and Kara, stemming from their season one/two relationship, are frequently referred to as "the Twins" in fandom. Maybe this is what's really creating the incest taboo for me.

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