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A great review of the life and trials (literally, alas) of Dr. George Tiller.

I take heart at this bit:
Protesters counted cars entering the clinic gate, and they tracked “saves” — patients who changed their minds. According to Mr. Gietzen’s data, over the last five years they had 395 “saves” for an “overall save rate” of 3.77 percent.

It just never occurs to them to consider what most would accept was a dismal failure rate indicates about women seeking abortion--i.e. that they need it from time to time and always will. (This is why panty-sniffing tactics like scouring patient records made even conservative Kansans on grand juries go, "Er...")

If abortion foes are so dumb as to ignore THOU SHALT NOT KILL, though, it's possible they might misunderstand the 96+% completion rate of women who sought abortions at Tiller's clinic:
Yet later, Mr. Gietzen said his feelings were more complex. Many years ago, he explained, he had wrestled with the question of whether it would be moral to kill Dr. Tiller. Only after months of reading and praying, he said, did he conclude that violence could never be justified. Killing men like Dr. Tiller, he said, will only put off the day when abortion is outlawed altogether.

This? Is why anyone who argues against abortion--especially those who believe themselves to have some heavenly mandate to do so--seems like a total whackaloon. Because yeah, when it comes down to it, murder is only bad because it gets you bad press when the victim is a doctor who provides abortions.

Date: 2009-07-28 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] equustel.livejournal.com
I have my own issues with abortion - it troubles me a great deal, I won't lie - but I would never lift a hand to prevent people who've already made up their minds, because choice is choice. And this? Is just outright sickening. It's one thing that this person was seriously considering murder - that's disturbing enough in and of itself. But for them to insinuate that their struggle with it was justified? Enough to discuss their murderous impulses in person, as if to generate sympathy?

The red, it is rising. MUST. BURN. SOMETHING.

Date: 2009-07-28 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
I simply cannot figure out how anyone can tiptoe around the Ten Commandments if they honestly believe in their religion...

Date: 2009-07-28 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] equustel.livejournal.com
Right? This is where the whole "but who qualifies as a real Christian? how can you tell?" argument (very popular in religious debate) becomes pretty... well... self-defeating.

Date: 2009-07-28 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
And this is before we get into actually murky waters about whether abortion is murder or not. The idea that some "Christians" don't have murder fixed in their minds as murder makes me hesitant to trust them to define it.

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