May Day!

[trinityvixen]

Before I go into the MAY MOVIE details, I'd like to take a WTF moment, if I may.

At home this weekend, I happened to notice that my mother's Star Trek calendar had a picture of Captain Janeway from Voyager on it. I totally had a lesbian crush on Seven of Nine, so I watched Voyager some despite it being pretty universally terrible. I looked at the caption under the picture. Apparently, in Star Trek Nemesis, Janeway's made Admiral...

...AND PICARD HAS NOT. WTF, TREKKIES?

Ahem. And without further ado:

THE MAY MOVIE!

Today's update: By virtue of the democratic polling process, I've determined that 10 pm seems to work best for everyone. So, to review:

THE MAY MOVIE: Mission: Impossible III
When: May 5, 2006
Time: 10 pm
Location: Loews 34th Street 14
312 W. 34th St.
New York, NY 10001

It's bring your own, folks, so buy the tix ahead of time. 'Cause no matter how tired the world is of Tom Cruise, he's still going to sell out this one.

Comments

[slackwench.livejournal.com]

Janeway would be the worst admiral ever. Worse than that guy who got taken over by aliens and tried to subvert starfleet. Worse than that other guy who tried to stage a military coup to protect Earth from the Dominion. Possibly even worse than Kirk as an admiral in movies 2-4.

That said, I thought Picard didn't want to be an admiral. I seem to remember it coming up in ST:TNG, possibly only as a theoretical though.

[chuckro.livejournal.com]

Also, though, look at it from Starfleet's perspective: Janeway managed to get an entire ship and crew back from the delta quadrant with minimal casualties. Picard got assisilated by the Borg and almost destroyed civilation as we know it. Who would you promote?

[arcane-the-sage.livejournal.com]

Q: Why was Janeway made Admiral?

A: You would be too if you were responsible for crippling the Borg while at the same time bringing in technology several decades more advanced (not to mention totally different anything conceived before) with you. To be honest, I would think every member of the Voyager crew got promoted and/or pardoned. Then you have to take into account just what kind of symbol they are to Star Fleet (yup politics). Not to mention that unlike Picard that they expected great things from, no one thought Janeway was anything special prior to her three hour tour. So taking all that into account, yeah it makes sense.

[bigscary.livejournal.com]

Janeway is a hidebound fuckstick who cared more about rules than right.
Picard actually cared about things besides the regs.

Also, doesn't Picard abandon the military wing of Starfleet for bigtime ambassadorship?

[bigscary.livejournal.com]

Oh, and could someone pick up a ticket for me? I'm working 10+ at least today and tomorrow, possibly through to the rest of the week.

[hslayer.livejournal.com]

I don't know if it's ever been explicitly stated, but I suspect Picard has turned down promotions to admiral. Kirk recommends it to him in Generations: "Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship. Because while you're there, you can make a difference." We do know Riker has turned down offers to be made a captain because he'd rather wait to get the Enterprise when Picard retires, so it isn't unheard-of (or disallowed) for an officer to turn down an assignment.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

I can get you one. Hell, if you're coming despite your reservations, I'll get you two.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Janeway is a hidebound fuckstick who cared more about rules than right.
Picard actually cared about things besides the regs.

...which would probably explain why she's an Admiral and he's not, neh? I mean, we all know Starbuck's never gonna make Major with her dysfunctional inability to follow orders...

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

I would think every member of the Voyager crew got promoted and/or pardoned

That's a funny combination of things, isn't it? Either they were heroes rewarded for their effort or criminals redeemed? And Janeway still made Admiral?

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

If this were the church, I'd promote Picard. Religious leaders who understand guilt and temptation are much more believable and sympathetic than withheld virgins who maintain a will of iron against anything sinful and wrong. A little doubt in the preacher means the congregation doesn't feel guilty over their own misgivings.

Since this is basically the navy, I'll have to grant you that Janeway would nail the promotion. She's like the Mr. Clark of the Trek world when you sum it up the way you did here.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Worst because she's a rules-whore?

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Does that mean an officer can disobey a transfer order or has it just never been put to Picard or Riker that way? I mean, when you're transferred, whether you're a general or PFC Jean Luc, you're still beholden to military structure, neh?

[ecmyers.livejournal.com]

That was the easiest way to keep her out of trouble. At least behind a desk, she can't get another ship lost--at least, not directly.

[ecmyers.livejournal.com]

Scary... I was just about to quote that :)

In "All Good Things," I believe Picard is an Admiral, but that was a whole alternate timeline/possible future that might not come to pass.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

I would love--love--to be a fly on the wall of the Admirals' Room when that happens.

Admiral Dude: Let me get this straight: you've been here for the past three years and yet you managed to send another ship off to be lost in the middle of nowhere at all?
Admiral Janeway: It happens.

[hslayer.livejournal.com]

I would think it's always been made as an offer rather than an order. This is Starfleet we're talking about; sometimes they're about as military as the Boy Scouts. They're also apparently allowed to resign at any time with no negative consequences. Crewmen and low-ranking officers don't have so much self-determination, but we have seen instances where even ensigns have "requested" a certain assignment and been given it.

[bigscary.livejournal.com]

Also, he was retired -- a promotion-at-retirement (strictly speaking, right before) is not unheard of in a lot of rank-based organizations.

[bigscary.livejournal.com]

I'm seriously half-intending to nap during the movie. But get in touch with Q-- I think her reservations, and her reasons for going, if she winds up doing so, are similar to mine.

[slackwench.livejournal.com]

She also toddled along acting like her job was to explore the area instead of to get home. They could've been home YEARS earlier if they'd just done their jobs instead of getting involved in local conflicts and other spurious crap.

Picard got assimilated by the Borg *because* he was so valuable to and knowledgeable about Starfleet. The Borg are pretty smart and make their choices completely rationally. I'd say that's a pretty good recommendation.

[xannoside.livejournal.com]

Picard was definitely offered Admiralty in several episodes of TNG, but he turned it down each time, as I recall.

And Riker finally gave up on captaining the Enterprise, so in Nemesis, it was said that he was going to accept command of a new ship after the Enterprise finished its current mission frame.