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Jul. 22nd, 2008 04:23 pm
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Awesomesauce.

I ::heart:: Jay Smooth. There's something to be said about boiling down complex issues to analogies reducing our ability to hold meaningful dialogues, but that's usually because the analogies in question are faulty. In this case, he's absolutely right.

Date: 2008-07-22 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jendaby.livejournal.com
That was awesome! Also, it applies to any sort of bigotry someone may be spouting, so it is a cool way to think of, approach the subject of bigoted remarks. That said, as many people mentioned in the comments there, most people have a hard time hearing "What you said sounded like a racist comment" as anything but "you are a racist", so the conversations might prove difficult.

Date: 2008-07-22 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
Good point, but he's still performing a useful service in suggesting the frame for the conversation. Because the people who use intolerant language or wish to restrict freedoms in the name of God/GOP have really gotten good at re-framing discussions so that you can't argue against them without (more or less) assuming the position of being evil. (Guiliani was a master at this--"decent people think..." means if you don't, you're indecent).

And it is hard to take criticism without taking it personally. But I have to believe that encouraging more specific addresses to specific offenses will work better than calling names. That has always been true but often gets forgotten in hot-button issues.

Date: 2008-07-22 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jendaby.livejournal.com
Oh, I agree. I like the fact that he gets right to the point- that you cannot know someone's intention, and thus cannot prove it, etc. And I also like the fact that this is a piece that will make people think - about how they approach issues, and how they deal with it when people step over the line.

And, yeah, it is really maddening when people who get caught misbehaving try to make it the fault of the person who calls them on it. Uncool. I'm just saying that some of those people are so fervent about never admitting they are wrong, that any statement might spark a spurt of extra-obnoxious behavior. But, you know, one can hope that deep down they know they are a bigoted turd, and they will feel like a jerk later on and maybe watch what they say and rethink their statements in future.

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