Best line since "KNEEL BEFORE TOD!"

[trinityvixen]

Because ivy03 will murder me if I don't...

Ahem, best line? "I am the prophet Chuck!"

Hee. Also, I love Castiel. And Zachariah showed up yesterday and he's my new favorite thing ever.

On the subject of fangirling, however, SPN fangirls on my f'list answer me this: How did you read those comments that Dean and Sam made about the way the in-show fangirls treated them? It came across as very knowing, very aware, so kudos to the showrunners for being more in tune with their audience than, say, the team behind Heroes. But it also wasn't very flattering, and it is now canon that the characters are totally repulsed by the things that you do/say about them on the internet. Are you miffed at all or are you taking this solely as teasing?

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[ivy03.livejournal.com]

I have like three minutes before I have to leave for ICON, but as I think about this, I'm not happy about the wincest call-out. I don't mind the showrunners knowing about it or mentioning it, but, like many slash writers, I'm very careful who I let know about it. I feel like slash is the sort of thing that anyone who's in any way engaged with online fan communities or goes to cons knows about, but that's still not the majority of viewers. So putting it in the show brings it to the attention of all the viewers who don't know about it--and it feels like flashing them my underwear drawer. Cause if they weren't involved online enough to know about it, then they probably disapprove, and I don't actually want them to know about it. Does that make sense?

I just get this feeling of a whole new set of people being disgusted by my fandom.

This could also be because I'm about to go to ICON, where I have previously faced serious hatred of slash. And this mention just feels like the showrunners handing them a loaded gun to point at me.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

I just get this feeling of a whole new set of people being disgusted by my fandom.

Which is why I asked the question in the first place. Because while I see it as a point for humor, I could see how negative this commentary could be as well. It plays to, as you've pointed out, one segment of fans over the other--it's put an "eww!" face on the slashers. Canonically. Now, that can be a teasing from the show runners, but people who are not those people won't necessarily see it that way. I'm not, clearly, seeing that way. Not entirely.

[dotfic.livejournal.com]

The view within fandom seems to be split, now, between those who thought it was affectionate, those who thought it was affectionate but won't look good to the general public, and those who thought the showrunners were taking a nastier jab at fanfic (and it looks bad to the general public).

My original thinking had been concerned with the view from within--are the showrunners really being nasty to fandom, y/n. (My opinion is no). But there is a real question of what this means with millions of viewers who have no idea what fandom is and how they'd react.

But I don't think SPN shouldn't have done it. If anything, it's a step towards making fanfic more socially acceptable. Since you first have to make people aware of something in order to get them to accept it.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

This episode also put an ew! face on romance novels as a whole--and that's something I know a lot of romance readers feel very sensitive about. But romance is a widely known genre. Slash is not. For a lot of people, this is the first time they've heard of it, and gently as it was meant, that first time is the characters in a show they like pointing it out specifically for ridicule.

I did laugh, I'll admit. (I should also point out that, even though this is "canonical anti-wincest," it's pretty damn easy to use it to justify wincest.) But I'm really uncomfortable with show runners talking about slash in interviews, let alone on the show. I really prefer just to be left alone. Especially when the group pointing and laughing has a huge platform and those being pointed at have...no platform at all.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

It's an anti-romance novel statement? Why? Just because of the ::snerk:: cover?

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

No, the editor makes some comment about how all people want these days are those awful romances. Don't remember it exactly.

They also called out LARPers in this. I wonder if there's any reaction to that--though LARPing is a bit more well known, and honestly, the LARPers have got to just be used to it by now.

[dotfic.livejournal.com]

That totally makes sense. I mean, I'd think it was funny even if the shout-out was to my slash ship (sadly, Chuck hadn't had the books published that far out yet, heh) but I can also see the major squirm factor, the practical problems of having attention drawn to it.

But then...my general sense about fanfic is that under the radar is the best policy. This was...above the radar. This was a big flashing neon sign going SLASHFIC HERE.

Hatred of slash at ICON? You'll have to fill me in on that sometime. Wow.