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I am the first person to get extremely annoyed at slashers. Look, you people have all the goddamned right in the world to think two dudes (or ladies, but you do so less often) are boning each other because they were friends/were enemies/said "hi" to each other/shared an overlapping second of screen time together. But it's very irritating to those of us who appreciate seeing homosociality (same-sex, deep and abiding friendships) done well onscreen. Because those relationships are devolved into slash. VERY ANNOYING.

That being said, [livejournal.com profile] linaerys linked me to this fantastic, soon-to-be-on-TV-Tropes-if-it-isn't-already idea of No Heterosexual Explanation Moments. This nice blogger has a very good point. Occasionally, you watch something and you know that there is absolutely no feasible way to explain any of what's going on other than two people, of the same sex, are clearly hot for each other. Or, at least, one of them is. Take Spartacus: Blood and Sand. (No, please. Take it.) There be more titties flying over that show than you can get in a night out on a coochie bar crawl with the crew of Girls Gone Wild. Spartacus and his beeeeeeest friiiiiieeeeeeend, uh, what's his name, Cupid? They're both mourning women they cannot have because they're imprisoned/because she's dead, whatever. (A prison where you turn into an unstoppable killing machine? Hard to see how that plan could go wrong for the guards!) But even my father knows that Cupid wants Spartacus more than he wants air. No, for real, I watched one episode, mid-season, of that show with my dad, and after one scene went down, I just blurted out, forgetting I was with my Dad, "Wow. Cupid wants Spartacus so hard." My Dad, definitely embarrassed, probably uncomfortable, but ultimately honest, said, "You know, I think you're right."

That, ladies and gents, is a genuine "No Heterosexual Explanation Moment" right the fuck there. And that is what The Fast and the Furious series of movies has become. I mean, yes, there were those elements there from the beginning, although I still think that, compared to the movie it clearly was inspired by, Point Break, The Fast and the Furious has A. Lot. of gay ground to cover, even with all the muscles and muscle cars. So much of the first The Fast and the Furious movie is about Paul Walker's character essentially being a punk who wants approval from anybody that whatever bedroom leers and grunts are exchanged between him and Vin Diesel are lost. Plus, Vin Diesel had the undeniably sexier Michelle Rodriguez, who, in addition to being sexier is already more of a man than Paul Walker, so why the hell would he switch (ugh) gears? Besides, you can't out-gay the combination of Patrick Swayze and Keanu Reeves.

Or, at least, you couldn't until Fast Five. Part of the problem is the way women have been entirely side-lined in the series. I won't go into the egregiously misogynist overtones to these movies. Women mostly exist as car trophies--literally, most of the female roles are uncredited and underdressed ladies draped over muscle cars. (Compensating? For what?) Vin Diesel's character's girlfriend is MIA, and the sister is basically a fleshlight that can talk for Paul Walker's character. As the tokenest of token roles for women have been shed or winnowed down such that it is nearly impossible to remember why they're even in the movies at all (Jordana Brewster, you are Wasting. Your. Time.), it becomes increasingly impossible to figure out how one justifies any of the relationships in the movie--specifically, Vin Diesel's and Paul Walker's--without having to declare that there is no heterosexual explanation. There just...isn't.

I cannot say more without "spoiling" the latest movie. But it shouldn't be a surprise when I tell you that, between having a film franchise based on two dudes and the steady elimination of any female characters that could possibly come between them, this movie is the gaaaaaaaaaaaayest Fast and Furious of them all. You can't fight it. Vin Diesel and Paul Walker have a conversation about their pasts. Vin Diesel freaking hugs Paul Walker at one point. Bring on the rainbow flags.

Fast Five was ridiculous, but I feel like critiquing it on those grounds is pointless. It's like being mad that the dancers in something like Step it Up 2 or whatever aren't good actors. Are you there to see a plot, with logical procession from conflict to climax to resolution, or are you there to see Vin Diesel get into a fight with The Rock? Yeah, I thought as much. My brother-in-law and younger sister were talking about the biggest chase (because naturally there were several) and how implausible it was. For my part, I kept mum because a) it's nonsensical to make an issue out of how unrealistic The Fast and the Furious movies are, since that's what you pay for, and b) I was certain my grumpiness over the fact that women were completely without agency in the movie wouldn't impress anybody. (I said I wouldn't go into it, but, come on. The movie is almost blithely indifferent to how multi-cultural its cast is, even though the white guys are the stars, but women? They are to be having the sex with. And maybe working the phone during the heist.)

What's interesting to me is the overt interest in turning this franchise into something more like the Ocean's Eleven movies. The very premise of drawing together all the characters from other films to fill certain roles, and even giving those roles specific names (not as clever as the ones in the Ocean's movies, but you get the idea), is an attempt to move beyond Macho Posturing: The Series. I find it funny that they went that route in the most macho-est, posturing-est outing to date.

Feel free to agree/disagree in comments. There will probably be spoilers!

Date: 2011-05-03 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linaerys.livejournal.com
The only thing I disagree about his how gay Brian and Dom were for each other in the first movie. Brian just glazes over whenever he gets to gaze upon Dom. And Dom instantly trusts him, and "owns" him, according to Mia. At the end Brian throws his career away for Dom. That's why it's a NHEM. If you take away the idea that Brian is in love with Dom and vice versa, I don't think many of their interactions (and LOOKS, DEAR GOD) make much sense. I suppose it could just be homosocial, but it reads absolutely like a love story.

Date: 2011-05-03 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
Well, the issue of the undercover guy making friends with and then having to betray a criminal is one that is fascinating in its own right, to me, without having to read in any romance. I love the way that relationship plays on trust and betrayal without it having to be any more personal. It's certainly devastating enough to learn that someone you, against the wishes of others, took into your inner circle, was plotting to destroy you the whole time without it being about the person you were having/wanted to have sex with being that traitor. I don't need that layer. It just seems tawdry and unnecessary.

And, like I said, it ignores the possibility that a friendship, under those circumstances, can be just as intimate without being romantic and/or physical. I want more intimate same-sex friendships, especially for guys, onscreen. Granted, The Fast and the Furious series is probably not the best place to look for it, since the movies obviously have some minor gay-panic awareness with all the scantily clad ladies thrown in (and the I'm-not-a-beard girlfriends). Still, it was a start. I certainly wouldn't mind if the movies ended up with Paul Walker and Vin Diesel gay for each other--gay romances are even more scarce than homosocial ones on film--but if that's not what the movie wanted, and they make a valiant attempt to do it the friendship way, I want them to succeed.

Of course, with the latest installment, I'm not sure that is what they want any more...

Date: 2011-05-03 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
But there's the whole thing where Dom tells Brian about his father. Which he never ever talks about with anyone. Which is a problem for the writers, since how do you get a character to reveal his main motivation if he's the sort of character who never talks about it? So, as written, Dom doesn't really have a reason to reveal such a confidence to Brian instead of any of the other people in his life that he's known far longer, except that Brian is the main character. It's a glaring fucking plot hole. That only makes sense if Dom is in love with him. Call it romantic friendship if you want! But the normal progression of a friendship does not explain the immediate and complete level of intimacy and trust between the two necessitated by the plot.

Somebody had a blog post somewhere breaking down the movie point by point...

Date: 2011-05-03 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
I really should probably have rewatched the first movie before making these claims. Then again, the people most vociferously disagreeing with me are slashers, and we have a fundamental disagreement anyway, Fast and Furious aside. The thing about the friendship in that movie is that it is intimate. I don't argue that it isn't, only that it isn't sexual. That, in the process of playing a part, Paul Walker's character (who I should really remember the name of, but never do) is freed from his own hang-ups and can be, ironically, very honest with Vin Diesel. Like he's trying to get on the Diesel's good side and into the inner circle, and nothing makes you seem less like someone who's hiding something than offering up real stories about himself.

If you find that blog post, I'd be happy to read it.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
I don't think you have to assume it's sexual for it to work plot wise, but I do think you have to assume it's romantic. Which is kind of what you're saying. The film functions only because of the immediate and intense intimacy between the leads.

Also, I hate Point Break. There, I said it. As a slasher, I hate it. I don't get it. The movie makes no fucking sense at all. I mean, The Fast and the Furious has some plot problems, but not on the level of the-guy-I'm-investigating-knows-I'm-an-undercover-cop-so-the-next-logical-choice-is-to-let-him-strap-me-to-a-parachute-and-jump-out-of-a-plane-with-him. NO FUCKING SENSE. And the Swayze strikes me as a genuine bad guy, whereas Dom did in the first movie and still does strike me as someone trying to do right by his crew but who is REALLY REALLY BAD AT IT. This whole movie? What the fucking fuck Dom? What the fuck kind of a plan is that??

Date: 2011-05-03 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
Hmm, I see your point. I suppose you could call an intimate friendship romantic. It has some seriously sexual overtones when it is between two male friends, however, which is why I didn't refer to it as such in a discussion where I'm arguing that the relationship is not sexual.

Ah, Point Break. I watched that in my post-The Matrix Keanu binge, and although nothing could be as bad as Little Buddha (no, really, NOTHING could be, not even Tokyo Drift), it was pretty bad. Patrick Swayze's character compared to Vin Diesel's is interesting because I think you're right: Swayze is actually evil, whereas Diesel is a criminal with a heart of gold. Funny what limitations we put on our sympathetic bad guys these days, isn't it? Perhaps no one can stomach Vin Diesel actually being evil? I mean, even in Pitch Black, he comes to the right side by the end, no matter that he actually was a goddamned killer at the start (and remains so into the sequel).

As for the heist plans, yeah, well, The Fast and the Furious may be on a collision course with Ocean's Eleven, but Vin Diesel isn't George Clooney. Of course, Paul Walker isn't Brad Pitt, either.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
Seriously--he has extensive information on a drug kingpin, and it doesn't even occur to him to barter to get his record cleared? Or at least Mia's record cleared? And then he goes forward with this ludicrous plan and proceeds to get a whole bunch more people on the most wanted list? Never mind that they wouldn't be in this bind in the first place if he hadn't told Mia to take off with the loot...

Seriously, Dom has like charisma 5, intelligence 1. People naturally look to him as a leader, but his plans are like let's run into the dragon's mouth! That sounds like fun!

Date: 2011-05-03 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
Hee! I love that you rank Vin Diesel like a DnD character. He would probably like that, too, given that he's a stealth nerd. But, yeah, he's not a criminal mastermind. In fact, most of his plans that work, that we see, are incredibly simple things that anyone less obsessed with cars could probably pull off a lot more safely. But we have these cars! There has to be a way to use them!

Date: 2011-05-03 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
And that is what The Fast and the Furious series of movies has become
Has become? The first movie makes no fucking sense unless they're hot for each other. No really. The gay neatly explains all the otherwise glaring plot holes.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
I don't think so, but that's me. I don't see it that same way. I see the pair of them being, as I said, intimately involved but not sexual. There is attraction there, though, as I think Vin Diesel represents something free and uncaring that someone under as much strain as Paul Walker is (or, would be, if he could act) might find very alluring.

Date: 2011-05-03 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
Vin Diesel's character's girlfriend is MIA
Easter egg at the end of the movie aside, she died in the last film.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
I knew that, I just didn't want to spoil anything in my review :) In fact, Fast and Furious was on just before I left for the west coast, and I caught the scene right as she died. We were all outraged at the time we saw it last year because Michelle Rodriguez, for all that the movie is about the boys, has her own fanbase: my family.

Date: 2011-05-03 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
Apparently I can't consolidate a comment.

One of the stars is a white guy (unless you count Vince). Vin Diesel considers himself a person of color--he's Italian and black and a lot of other things, so I don't think he counts as a white bread action hero.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
Good to know. I knew he had some non-white background, but I wasn't prepared to comment on it, especially as, forgive me, he "reads" as white, especially, I think, in this movie, where other characters' ethnic backgrounds are more pronounced (through language or skin color). That's probably my race blinders, though. I had to go look up to see if Jordana Brewster was white, and not only is she half-Latina, she's half Brazilian, so now I'm wondering if she actually does speak Portuguese.

Also, I'm really sorry, given this excellent discussion, we didn't get to see these together. Some time, when I actually make the mistake of watching the two where Vin Diesel is not in them, I'll definitely have to do it with you.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
I AM NEVER WATCHING TOKYO DRIFT AGAIN.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
...that good, huh? Funny, I heard 2 Fast, 2 Furious was the worst of the series.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
2 Fast 2 Furious is a bad movie, but it still has Paul Walker, and Tyrese Gibson is pure entertainment. Plus it has Ludacris. So it's bad in that you forget it entirely as soon as you stop watching it way. Tokyo Drift is bad in the WHY THE FUCK AM I WATCHING THIS MAKE IT STOP way.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
I admit to having the slightest bit of interest in the second one because of Ludacris. I really like the quiet and long-suffering dignity to characters he plays. Like I hated Crash (talk about RaceFAIL), but he was interesting. I also have GOT to see him with the crazy afro.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
Also, for all the ways this movie fails (so! many!), I think it kind of nailed diversity, especially for an action film. Argument about Vin aside, the number of non-white characters in the movie far outweighs the white characters, even though, of the three leads, one (and a half) are white. It's not just a matter of token black guy. Also, it's a movie with a lot of Portuguese, and a lot of Spanish, much of which is not translated. We saw it at Union Square with a sold out crowd, and the diversity of the crowd matched what was on the screen. There were also moments of Spanish dialogue that weren't translated that got big laughs, leaving me to be like what? What? But I think, given the success of the franchise and the crowd that I saw, thy've managed to construct a franchise that appeals to mean and women and to an ethnically diverse audience.

Tokyo Drift, on the other hand, is full of RACEFAIL. Not only is it set in Tokyo with a white main character, his love interest and his sidekick aren't Japanese (though they're not white either). You can tell how evil a character is by how poorly he speaks English. The good Japanese character, Han? Perfect English. But he also exists as a sensei, so he's there for exoticism. The main antagonist, accented English. The super bad guys? No English at all. It's kind of appalling.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
Wait, Han is supposed to be Japanese? Not Korean? His name in the movie is very Korean, even. It is also a delightful pun that I didn't realize until later because I hadn't seen his movie.

Also, some more relevant thoughts: I agree on the non-RaceFAIL of this movie. I actually died laughing at the two Latino brothers. (My sister said they reminded her of the two brothers from Ocean's Eleven, which is probably why I thought the movies were on similar tracks.) They all brought something very different, and not necessarily stereotypical to the plate. Except, of course, the women, like the supposed Mossad agent who was too skinny to breathe, much less hurt anyone.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
If he's Korean, then that means there are no Japanese good guys. In a movie set in Japan. Go team!

But the Mossad agent is at least played by an Israeli, unlike some other shows I could mention. *cough*NCIS!*cough*

Date: 2011-05-03 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
He is, in fact, Korean. Oh good. For a second there, I thought I was on, like, my own third RaceFAIL of the day. Sounds like Toyko Drift is AWESOME. Um, at least the Koreans/Chinese were the bad guys in the first movie? Nope, I got nothing.

Date: 2011-05-03 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xannoside.livejournal.com
There's actually very few genuine Japanese PERIOD in that film. Most of the bad guys are Korean-American actors, and all the "car girls" were Taiwanese/Malaysian/Vietnamese models.

That said, at least for the car girls, that's somewhat accurate. Just like the American version, Japanese urban street racing culture is pre-dominantly a minority culture. It's just that in Japan that means other kinds of Asian.

Date: 2011-05-03 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xannoside.livejournal.com
Did you notice that his name, as described on his FBI profile is "Ha Seoul-Oh"?

;)

Date: 2011-05-03 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mithras03.livejournal.com
I love how no one remembers the original Ocean's 11 now that it's gotten all Clooneyed up :-P It is by far the better version....IMHO. Rat Pack? Loved it. Also loved that they filmed it during their off hours for their shows in Vegas. :-P Has anyone seen it????

Date: 2011-05-03 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
That's funny, my mother said the original wasn't as good. I'll have to see it, decide for myself.

Date: 2011-05-03 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mithras03.livejournal.com
I liked the motivation behind it better - it was just a heist film. I mean, it wasn't their best work, obviously - they were mostly phoning it in - but the extra layer that was there, that wasn't in the new versions, added something for me.

Date: 2011-05-03 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mithras03.livejournal.com
Sorry - WASN'T just a heist film - I have to figure out how to edit my comments.... :-P

Date: 2011-05-03 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xannoside.livejournal.com
Eh, I thought it was cute, but the remake was much better.

The pacing was much tighter, the entire group actually got screentime without having to be part of the "Pack", and I like the criminal explanation better than the much-too-long-and-not-especially-accurate military brotherhood explanation.

Worth seeing, but more in context of the remake than as a film necessity.

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